[Socal] You gotta see this

Tue Feb 19 18:17:02 CST 2008

As a woman of color I have to vehemently disagree that men of color have in
any way ruled within the United States.  If we want to get into world
politics we can also have that discussion as well and incorporate systems of
oppression and even shadism into it.  But I digress.  I am uninterested in
attacking Hillary, but I for one would like to see the playing field leveled
for POC as well.  Personally I find it much more useful to look for the
positive elements that unite us and the strengths in BOTH candidates.

I'd be interested in hearing how Hillary has been "smarter" in the race
because I'm not sure I see that.  I see some issues where her views align
with mine and many issues where I find her position to be inadequate at
best, contradictory and weak in many cases as well.

In addition to seeing two good candidates, I also see an opportunity for
dialogue to surface around critical issues of privilege and oppression at a
systemic level.

On Feb 19, 2008 4:06 PM, Con Jordan <tiamet at cox.net> wrote:

>  As a woman I disagree, we have been oppressed throughout history while
> men( white or of color) have ruled the world. It is our opportunity to
> support a WOMAN candidate. I don't see them as being equal at all. I see
> Hillary as being smarter and more capable and as usual the patriarchy is
> supporting a male. I am tired of hearing that we have two great choices this
> year. I believe we have one great choice and the opportunity to equal the
> playing field for women.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* T Mateu <theislandgrrrl at gmail.com>
> *To:* socal at butch-femme.com
>   *Sent:* Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:10 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Socal] You gotta see this
>
> Can I second what Mari said and suggest respect be the norm.  There are
> negative points to either candidate but I prefer to focus on the amazing
> fact that we GET to chose between a white woman and black man to run for
> president, both with pros and cons.  Obama is a person of color and also one
> of MY own.  Hillary has also backed the war, has waffled on positions, has
> not been aggressive about immigrant rights, etc. Neither candidate is
> perfect but what a great moment in history and what a great opportunity,
> regardless of whom we support!
>
> Just sayin'
> Thea
>
> On Feb 19, 2008 3:06 PM, Con Jordan <tiamet at cox.net> wrote:
>
> >  I am just really prickly about this issue because the Obama supporters
> > are being so in your face. Hillary has been a champion for womens causes for
> > longer than Obama has been around. She is smart, capable and A WOMAN. Lets
> > support one of our own for a change. And by the way I am a butch too.
> >
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Mari Lopez <tootsielopez at hotmail.com>
> > *To:* socal at butch-femme.com
> >   *Sent:* Tuesday, February 19, 2008 3:48 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Socal] You gotta see this
> >
> > Hey Folks,
> > I think its great that some are excited about November's election.
> > Though we may not support the same candidate I would hope that this would be
> > a friendly forum where anyone can speak about why they support their
> > favorite pundit.  We all get finger-wagged enough from those outside our
> > community and so I hope we can be even our political selves with the same
> > respect as being our B-F selves.  This contest should be seen as a time for
> > healthy, passionate, respectful debate as we have not had the prospect of
> > two candidates who equally excite the population and our hopes for the
> > future.  Instead of the lesser of two evils we get too choose the best of
> > just deserts!
> >
> > My two cents (that yes, I know no one asked for)
> >
> > Mari (Butch)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > From: tiamet at cox.net
> > To: socal at butch-femme.com
> > Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:48:52 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [Socal] You gotta see this
> >
> > The only thing I know for certain about Obama is that he quotes from
> > other peoples speeches implying that the ideas are his own. I think there is
> > a word for that  oh yea... plagerism.... and oh yea if you do that in school
> > you get an F and maybe kicked out of the class or suspended. I also
> > know that he is all talk and has  no policy ideas of his own . Just because
> > you are swept up in the mania of his support doesn't  mean the rest of us
> > are. I support Clinton because she has always supported women and gays but I
> > am not sending video's to group members touting how great she is.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Jen DeLaO <floatingcloudwomyn at yahoo.com>
> > *To:* socal at butch-femme.com
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:02 AM
> > *Subject:* [Socal] You gotta see this
> >
> >   I just watched an incredibly inspiring video made by some Obama
> > supporters you might recognize. It's hard to put its impact into words --
> > please just watch:http://my.barackobama.com/YesWeCanvideoIt's a song
> > inspired by a speech Barack Obama delivered a few weeks ago. It's performed
> > by musicians Will.i.am <http://will.i.am/>, John Legend, Common, and
> > others.This is something special, so please check it out:
> > http://my.barackobama.com/YesWeCanvideoIf<http://my.barackobama.com/page/ic/no72bq0i2cnxao/SjxTRjQBJVULRVlRVAp6Bw%253D%253D>your state is voting today, please don't forget to get the polls, and be
> > sure to share this with anyone you know who might need some motivation to
> > get out and vote. If you or anyone you know needs help, you can find it by
> > clicking on your state here:http://my.barackobama.com/feb5statesThank<http://my.barackobama.com/page/ic/no72bq0i2cnxao/SgNTV1YXElURVkNhWQRdCg%253D%253D>you ....
> >
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