[Socal] I think McCain will win GAIL

Wed Feb 20 22:06:35 CST 2008

You are right..there is a lot at stake. It's not about age, it's about experience with global politics. I appreciate beautifully executed rhetoric done by a charismatic figure just as much as the next butch, but I'm more comfortable with a strong experienced woman in charge...does that make me a bottom?  naaawww
  There is also a body of thought that says that no matter who wins the presidency our country is still run by the same 3% of the wealthy capitalistic machine.
  I appreciate your views, Gail, even if I don't share them.

Jewish Femme <jewishfemme at hotmail.com> wrote:
      .hmmessage P  {  margin:0px;  padding:0px  }  body.hmmessage  {  FONT-SIZE: 10pt;  FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma  }    JFK was 43 years old when he ran for president.  So according to your logic, Bewonkie2u, JFK was a kid too?  Would you have preferred that Nixon had won the election, because he was older than JFK?  It doesn't make sense to determine how someone might do, based on how old they are.  Obama was in the Illinois legislature for a number of years and has been a senator for three years, and Clinton has been in the Senate for seven years, so their experience working in government is about the same.  Both Democratic candidates are smart and intellectually capable of leading the country, and either one would be a vast improvement over Bush.  Kucinich was the only candidate who was in favor of gay and lesbian marriage, by the way, which would give us far more rights than civil unions.  

A McCain administration would be very similar to the current Bush administration.  Is this what people think is best for the country?  Yes, he served his country during the Vietnam War, and we can admire him for that.  However, McCain has said that he thinks we could be in Iraq for another 100 years.  Is that really what people want?  Another anti-GLBT government?  To have our civil rights eroded even further?  To see more of our young people die?  To continue to pay for a war we never should have gotten into, indefinitely?  So that more of our resources are spent on the war, while more than 40 million people don't have health insurance and money for the things that made this county great, like education, our physical infrastructure (e.g., highways and bridges, which are in severe disrepair), the uncertainty of social security, etc., continue to be cut from the budget?  So that young people, who are already cynical about their futures and what's in store for them, become
 more cynical and pessimistic, because the future looks bleak?  Are people seriously contemplating voting for McCain, just because they don't think Obama is old enough or has enough experience?  Do people really want another justice like Roberts appointed to the Supreme Court?  We need to look at the big picture here.  We can learn things from all sorts of people, including people younger than ourselves, since they can expand our horizons in ways we never could have imagined, so perhaps it's time to be more open.  

I'm 53 and I would never vote for McCain, or any other Republican for president, and do not understand how anyone else could, especially this year, when so much is at stake. 

Gail

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To: socal at butch-femme.com
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:05:47 -0800
Subject: Re: [Socal] I think McCain will win AND I MIGHT HELP HIM

      .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P  {padding:0px;}  .ExternalClass EC_body.hmmessage  {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;}    I would be willing to bet that the American people will not tolerate 4 more years of of a Bush-like administration -- which you all know we would get. Republican is a republican is a republican.  We cannot afford ONE more year of Bush-ites in the oval office -- no matter how much he claims to be different.  Folks, it was not just the White House that the GOPers occupied; the congress for 7 years, and the judiciary for what will be the better part of all of our lives the way Cheney set it up.  
Young people know that the GOP screwed their future.  If they get behind another one then the young truly hold suicidal tendencies.

Mari

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  Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:47:37 -0800
From: beckyfemme4u at yahoo.com
To: socal at butch-femme.com
Subject: Re: [Socal] I think McCain will win AND I MIGHT HELP HIM

    .ExternalClass DIV  {;}        I keep hearing this sentiment in all my normally yellow dog democrat groups. 
  Not to mention independent voters who are already beginning to line up behind McCain because he is seen as a maverick. 
  At a pic-nic on Sunday pro-Clinton people were saying they could not uniformally support Obama and would rather go with the more experienced McCain.

   Young people no doubt are supporting Obama but they have historically low voter turn-out. Many over 40  Americans even democrats will turn to McCain I predict, if Obama gets the nod. I just wish we had held the election 6 mos. ago when Clinton was leading ALL Candidates on both sides by double digits.  Becky:)

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  I'm a 4th generation democrat with socialist leanings. If Hillary does not get the nod, since I do not want an inexperienced kid (as good of a speaker as he is) leading our nation, I will default to McCain. I've never voted conservative in my life but will do so in this instance. Ideally, Hillary will be Pres. and Obama VP. In 4 or 8 years, Obama will have the experience and wisdom to be our President. Then I will even campaign for him. Just not now.

VAYTON7 at aol.com wrote:
        Hi...

      You know what ... my prediction is that McCain will win.... Sadly.
  The reason why I think so, is because I think the majority of people in our country overall are racist and sexist... (among other stuff). And sadly, those people don't care who will be the most qualified to be president, they will base it solely on race and/or sex. I wish I could believe this won't happen and feel more positive about it, but I'm thinking that I'm just joking myself to believe that this nation would actually vote a black man or a woman for president. Again... I want Clinton to win because she is 100% for marriage equality (civil union), and I believe she will do something about health care. But I will vote for Obama 2nd choice, I will not vote Republican (even it were a woman or black male Republican).  You know... I liked Edwards passion about the working middle class and how Corps screw us everyday. Anyway... 

  Tonya

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