[Socal] I think McCain will win GAIL

Thu Feb 21 22:48:15 CST 2008

well said Gail!

On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Jewish Femme <jewishfemme at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Well, people's logic can be a bit screwy sometimes.  It makes no sense to
> not vote for someone, based on their middle name.  Obama is as American as
> any of us, including your employee.  Damn, this is 2008!  This logic is like
> stuff that was done in the past, when people said they would never vote for
> a woman, an African American, or any other non-Caucasian person.  If we
> haven't people progressed any further, then we're in big trouble.  Honestly,
> I'm dumbfounded at people's stupidity sometimes.  I know that's judgmental,
> but this kind of thinking makes no sense.
>
> Voting for McCain is getting more of what we've had since Bush was
> elected, so shame on any democrat who votes for McCain, simply because they
> don't like Obama's middle name.  Voting for one of the democrats at least
> ensures that there's the possibility for some change in this country.
> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
>
> Gail
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: tiamet at cox.net
> To: socal at butch-femme.com
> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:58:55 -0700
>
> Subject: Re: [Socal] I think McCain will win GAIL
>
>  One of my employees just said it to me this morning "I won't vote for
> someone with the name Barack HUSSSEIN Obama"  saying he will go for McCain
> if Hillary isn't chosen and this guy is a moderate democrat from California.
>
> My contacts in the south are predicting they all go red again
> if Obama gets the nod. I think if we as democrats can put Hillary up she
> could take some of the southern states.. and we have to take some of them to
> win the election.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Jewish Femme <jewishfemme at hotmail.com>
> *To:* socal at butch-femme.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:15 PM
> *Subject:* [Socal] I think McCain will win GAIL
>
> True, bewonkie2u, he doesn't have as much experience in global politics as
> some people do.  However, he's also done a lot to become familiar with
> global issues, has an expansive approach in terms of how he views things and
> has lived overseas, i.e., he's a curious person and intellectually capable
> of grasping what's important.  Therefore, whether Clinton or Obama is the
> nominee, they'll already be far ahead of Bush when they take office; I don't
> believe, at this time, that McCain will win.
>
> Interestingly, in today's L.A. Times, there was a review of a book by
> Samantha Power, who spent 2005 and 2006 advising Obama on foreign policy
> issues.  This is a very smart woman who really knows what she's talking
> about, so you might want to check her out.  I've known about her for a
> while, because of her work on the genocide in Rwanda (I did a lot of
> research on it for a paper in August 1999).  I'm copying the first two
> paragraphs of the review below:
>
>
> "Samantha Power wears a lot of hats these days -- journalist, human rights
> activist, professor of "global leadership" at Harvard's Kennedy School of
> Government, author and policy advisor. The latter role is of particular
> interest, since she spent 2005 and 2006 working in Sen. Barack Obama's
> office and still advises the Democratic presidential candidate on foreign
> policy issues. If there's an Obama administration, she's widely believed to
> be in line for a significant job.
>
>
>
> "Murky as the junior senator from Illinois can sometimes seem on the
> domestic details, public understanding of his foreign policy goals is just
> this side of a tabula rasa. Thus, Power's new book, "Chasing the Flame:
> Sergio Vieira de Mello and the Fight to Save the World," is of uncommon
> interest on several counts. The author is best known for her earlier work,
> the Pulitzer Prize-winning " 'A Problem From Hell': America and the Age of
> Genocide," a searing critique of U.S. policy toward mass murder with a
> particular focus on the reprehensible failures in Bosnia and Rwanda."
>
> Well sure, I like a strong, experienced woman to be in charge too, since I
> like being the bottom in bed (but only in bed), but Clinton doesn't do it
> for me.  What can I say?  Thanks, I appreciate your views too and it seems
> we agree to disagree.  Yes, the country will still be run by the same folks
> who are in charge now, but the president still has an awful lot of power.
>
> Gail
>
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:06:35 -0800
> From: bewonkie2u at yahoo.com
> To: socal at butch-femme.com
> Subject: Re: [Socal] I think McCain will win GAIL
>
> You are right..there is a lot at stake. It's not about age, it's about
> experience with global politics. I appreciate beautifully executed rhetoric
> done by a charismatic figure just as much as the next butch, but I'm more
> comfortable with a strong experienced woman in charge...does that make me a
> bottom?  naaawww
> There is also a body of thought that says that no matter who wins the
> presidency our country is still run by the same 3% of the wealthy
> capitalistic machine.
> I appreciate your views, Gail, even if I don't share them.
>
>
> *Jewish Femme <jewishfemme at hotmail.com>* wrote:
>
> JFK was 43 years old when he ran for president.  So according to your
> logic, Bewonkie2u, JFK was a kid too?  Would you have preferred that Nixon
> had won the election, because he was older than JFK?  It doesn't make sense
> to determine how someone might do, based on how old they are.  Obama was in
> the Illinois legislature for a number of years and has been a senator for
> three years, and Clinton has been in the Senate for seven years, so their
> experience working in government is about the same.  Both Democratic
> candidates are smart and intellectually capable of leading the country, and
> either one would be a vast improvement over Bush.  Kucinich was the only
> candidate who was in favor of gay and lesbian marriage, by the way, which
> would give us far more rights than civil unions.
>
> A McCain administration would be very similar to the current Bush
> administration.  Is this what people think is best for the country?  Yes, he
> served his country during the Vietnam War, and we can admire him for that.
> However, McCain has said that he thinks we could be in Iraq for another 100
> years.  Is that really what people want?  Another anti-GLBT government?  To
> have our civil rights eroded even further?  To see more of our young people
> die?  To continue to pay for a war we never should have gotten into,
> indefinitely?  So that more of our resources are spent on the war, while
> more than 40 million people don't have health insurance and money for the
> things that made this county great, like education, our physical
> infrastructure (e.g., highways and bridges, which are in severe
> disrepair), the uncertainty of social security, etc., continue to be cut
> from the budget?  So that young people, who are already cynical about their
> futures and what's in store for them, become more cynical and pessimistic,
> because the future looks bleak?  Are people seriously contemplating voting
> for McCain, just because they don't think Obama is old enough or has enough
> experience?  Do people really want another justice like Roberts appointed to
> the Supreme Court?  We need to look at the big picture here.  We can learn
> things from all sorts of people, including people younger than ourselves,
> since they can expand our horizons in ways we never could have imagined, so
> perhaps it's time to be more open.
>
> I'm 53 and I would never vote for McCain, or any other Republican for
> president, and do not understand how anyone else could, especially this
> year, when so much is at stake.
>
> Gail
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> From: tootsielopez at hotmail.com
> To: socal at butch-femme.com
> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:05:47 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Socal] I think McCain will win AND I MIGHT HELP HIM
>
> I would be willing to bet that the American people will not tolerate 4
> more years of of a Bush-like administration -- which you all know we would
> get. Republican is a republican is a republican.  We cannot afford ONE more
> year of Bush-ites in the oval office -- no matter how much he claims to be
> different.  Folks, it was not just the White House that the GOPers occupied;
> the congress for 7 years, and the judiciary for what will be the better part
> of all of our lives the way Cheney set it up.
> Young people know that the GOP screwed their future.  If they get behind
> another one then the young truly hold suicidal tendencies.
>
> Mari
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:47:37 -0800
> From: beckyfemme4u at yahoo.com
> To: socal at butch-femme.com
> Subject: Re: [Socal] I think McCain will win AND I MIGHT HELP HIM
>
>  I keep hearing this sentiment in all my normally yellow dog democrat
> groups.
> Not to mention independent voters who are already beginning to line up
> behind McCain because he is seen as a maverick.
> At a pic-nic on Sunday pro-Clinton people were saying they could not
> uniformally support Obama and would rather go with the more experienced
> McCain.
>
>  Young people no doubt are supporting Obama but they have historically low
> voter turn-out. Many over 40  Americans even democrats will turn to McCain I
> predict, if Obama gets the nod. I just wish we had held the election 6 mos.
> ago when Clinton was leading ALL Candidates on both sides by double digits.
> Becky:)
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Bewonkie2u <bewonkie2u at yahoo.com>
> To: socal at butch-femme.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:09:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Socal] I think McCain will win AND I MIGHT HELP HIM
>
> I'm a 4th generation democrat with socialist leanings. If Hillary does not
> get the nod, since I do not want an inexperienced kid (as good of a speaker
> as he is) leading our nation, I will default to McCain. I've never voted
> conservative in my life but will do so in this instance. Ideally, Hillary
> will be Pres. and Obama VP. In 4 or 8 years, Obama will have the experience
> and wisdom to be our President. Then I will even campaign for him. Just not
> now.
>
>
> *VAYTON7 at aol.com* wrote:
>
>   Hi...
>
>     You know what ... my prediction is that McCain will win.... Sadly.
> The reason why I think so, is because I think the majority of people in
> our country overall are racist and sexist... (among other stuff). And
> sadly, those people don't care who will be the most qualified to be
> president, they will base it solely on race and/or sex. I wish I could
> believe this won't happen and feel more positive about it, but I'm thinking
> that I'm just joking myself to believe that this nation would actually vote
> a black man or a woman for president. Again... I want Clinton to win because
> she is 100% for marriage equality (civil union), and I believe she will do
> something about health care. But I will vote for Obama 2nd choice, I will
> not vote Republican (even it were a woman or black male Republican).  You
> know... I liked Edwards passion about the working middle class and how Corps
> screw us everyday. Anyway...
>
> Tonya
>
>
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